every law maker on capitol hill -- >> old on. >> both parties will tell you -- >> let paul in. >> so for the rord, we shouldn't have sequester at all. we should not be cutting nondefense discretionary spending. cutting short-term spending does nothing for the big problem which is long-term spending. we need that money for the services, we need that money to be in the economy. this is completely ridiculous. we should get rid of obama care ?roo. what do you want to do with our $17 trillion national debt? >> i want to control healthcare costs. if we get healthcare costs under control over the long term we have no fiscal problems. republicans want to be well advised to join barack obama and after conversation about healthcare costs. >> why is this so stubborn a problem, healthcare costs? why is it so stubborn? why can't it be affected? >> because ideology is involved. >> people don't take responsibility for their own health. >> my turn now. what you need to do is close loopholes like carried interest, which mort supports and which would get money from the upper end. you need to close som